My Response to @ElderOfZiyon on Twitter about the Banned Egyptian Documentary about Jews

Update 2013/3/23: The director of the documentary wrote on his Twitter account, “march 27 jews of egypt finally out in movie theaters in Egypt”, also 2013/3/20; 2013/3/19: “It’s very nice that the censorship issues a statement that no authority of the National Security [apparatus] over the permit of the film, after a week of statements by them personally giving-over the responsibility to the security”.

Update 2013/3/15: “Elder of Zion” told me that he made an edit to his article. I’m happy that simple attempts to reach the others help in lessening the misunderstanding. 🙂

This is my response to a blogger who blogs under the name “Elder of Zion”, on his article, “Documentary about Egyptian Jews banned in Egypt”.

I attended the documentary when it was in the Panorama of the European Film, in Cairo, Egypt. At that time, 2012/10/6, the documentary was screened for a very limited time only, the cinema was overly crowded and only a third of attendees were able to get inside the cinema. Most attendees were Egyptians who were very happy with the documentary, as apparent from the symposium made after the end of the documentary. At the end of his article (now changed) he had generalized that [all] Egyptians are anti-Jewish. This was unfair and counter-reconciliatory. What he had wrote in the end, made me feel that the haters behind censorship do their job after asking us by democratic means, which is false. Have you heard about the Egyptian peace activist, Ahmed Meligy, who was arrested by the National Security, not by ordinary civilians, for promoting peace with Israel!?

The continuation to ignore peace activists and generalization of the bad, is very anti-peaceful and only contributes to more misunderstanding and makes the dream of true peace between Egyptians and Israelis much further.

See also:
* Deutsche Welle (Arabic): “About Jews of Egypt” film, a triumph on bureaucracy or on the National Security [apparatus]? (2013/3/20)
* The Daily Star: Egyptian security services have banned a film about the Jews of Egypt (2013/3/12) (the report mistaken the name “Amir” Ramses for “Amr”!)
* English Ahram: The Egyptian censor stopped the filming of a film promoting peace and cooperation between Egyptians and Israelis, accusing the makers of “promoting normalization with Israel” (2012/6/5)
* Promoting the screening of the documentary in the Panorama of the European Film: 2012/10/5; 2012/10/6


Jewish Rights, Denial and Carelessness

Notice: Because people in dictatorships are always used to prejudgments and to quickly judge others, living like gods who command and prohibit… I totally oppose all nationalistic, religious and ethnic states, and I’m against states from the first place. I also know that not all victims of the holocaust were Jews only, however, most of them were.

First, I was very happy on the 15th of this month, as I was speaking with fully tolerant people who accept difference who were open-minded. Coincidentally, at the same day I met other bigots who considered their opinions to be absolute facts, all their aims of discussions are to clone themselves and that the dialog be from one direction, from their direction, while the recipient has to just listen silently.

The discussion started when I was saying to one of my friends that they are totally superficial to only concentrate on what the media shows them about the nepotism made for the president’s son, while ignoring what the media never mention about the sons of intelligence personnel and military leaders!

The one who was speaking with my friend, apart from his ignoring to listen to me, he attacked me and he said that he does not rely on one source of information, but at the end of the day he proved to me the total opposite.

Someone else heard the conversation, who saw a picture I had for a victim of the concentration camps and he was trivializing the cruelty and injustice of the holocaust.

I was driven crazy of the trivializing of an incident which crossed all the lines injustice and that threatens to repeat such horrific incidents! That person was saying that the compensations which Germany gives to the Jewish victims of the holocaust (the civilians), that they were deals between states, and that there are other people, as the prisoners of war soldiers (the militarists), died in similar ways in wars. My friend agreed with the last part, then I was letting them understand that they are mixing many things together, both cases were tragic, all wars are crimes and what is known as “war crimes” happen in all wars, but in the holocaust, ordinary people who have no relation to the wars, died in non-war zones, and this is a very important difference and that is of the most important reasons in the cruelty of the incident.

Later on, that person brought his friend who I mentioned earlier, he brought him to empower himself, so that both practice attacking and trolling. The discussion was full of sophistry, they didn’t even had readiness to listen to full sentences, they believe in things and would not silence unless I tell them that they are 100% correct and I’m wrong. One of them considered me insane because I was emphasizing to him historical facts he was denying, most importantly, that there used to be Jewish monarchies to the east of Sinai. I was shocked when I saw both of them repeating the propaganda of Arab League states that Jews had no existence in that place and that the real homeland of Jews was ancient Egypt, and that England was the one which gave the land to the Jews from Arabs because Arabs are weak, benevolent and easy to steal of. The shock to me was huge because as far as I remember when I started knowing little about politics and Israel, I knew that at an ancient time, there used to be Jewish states at Israel’s current place. They even didn’t know that the etymology of the word “Palestine” came form a name of peoples who lived in Gaza area and around, and that all of those had no relation to Arabs or Arab nationalism!

It was weird that they were saying that Jews were people who “came from outside” and have no right. OK, all the people on planet Earth immigrate, travel and come from places where they hadn’t already dwelt. All states have conditions to accept emigrants, why aren’t they provoked by the unjust and sometimes racist conditions for emigration of all states, while they are only annoyed that Israel has conditions to those who want to emigrate and dwell in it?! Not to mention that there are many things which humans made which are not known to history. Evolutionary scientists even say that all of us as humans came from the southeast of the African continent and settled on most of the planet’s surface.

OK, let me tell you something infuriating, those two who were defending the Arab League states, who made me feel that I was getting them out of their creed and that I was skinning them, they are of the persecuted minorities in the “Arab” republic of Egypt!

See Also:
* Deutsche Welle: Sophie, Hans Scholl remain symbols of (peaceful) resistance
* Mark Halawa: Ask Halawa: Did an Arab Palestine Exist?

حقوق اليهود بين الانكار و الاهمال

ملحوظة: علشان الناس فى الديكتاتوريات دايما متعودين على الاحكام المسبقة و سرعة الحكم على الاخرين و العيشة كأنهم الهة تأمر و تنهى… انا مختلف تماما مع كل الدول القومية و الدينية و العرقية و ضد الدول اساسا. و انا عارف ان مش كل ضحايا الهولوكوست كانوا يهود فقط, لكن كان اغلبهم.

اولا انا كنت مبسوط جدا ان يوم 15, كنت بتكلم مع ناس فى قمة التسامح و تقبل الاختلاف و التفتح. لكن الصدفة انى فى نفس اليوم قابلت ناس تانية فى قمة التعصب القومى لارائهم الشخصية و معتبرينها حقايق مطلقة, و كل هدفهم من مناقشة الناس انها تنسخهم نسخة منهم و يبقى الحوار من اتجاه واحد من عندهم, و على المتلقى السمع و يقول ”امين“.

المناقشة ابتدت لما كنت بقول لواحد من صحابى على انهم فى قمة السطحية انهم بيركزوا بس على اللى الاعلام بيقوللهم عليه عن الكوسة اللى اتعملت لابن الريس, و بيتجاهلوا ان الاعلام مش بيجيب لهم سيرة ولاد اللى فى المخابرات و قيادات الجيش!

اللى كان بيتكلم مع صاحبى, غير انه ماكانش مهتم يسمعنى, هاجمنى و قال انه مش بيعتمد على مصدر واحد للمعلومات, لكن فى نهاية اليوم اكدلى العكس تماما.

واحد تانى كان حاضر الحوار, و كان معايا صورة لواحد من ضحايا مخيمات التكثيف (concentration camps), و كان بيستهين بوحشية و ظلم الهولوكوست.

انا اللى جننى فى الموضوع هو الاستهانة بحدث فاق كل الحدود فى الظلم و ان دة بيهدد بتكرار احداث مشابهة. الشخص دة كان بيقول ان التعويضات اللى المانيا بتديها لضحايا الهولوكوست اليهود (المدنيين), انها صفقات بين الدول, و ان فيه ناس تانية, زى الجنود اسرى الحروب (العسكريين), ماتت بطرق مشابهة فى حروب. صاحبى كان موافق على الجزء الاخرانى, بس انا كنت بفهمهم انهم بيخلطوا حاجات كتير ببعض, و الحالتين مأسويين, كل الحروب جرايم و كل الحروب بيحصل فيها ما يسمى ”جرايم حرب“ (war crimes), لكن فى الهولوكوست, ناس مدنيين مالهاش علاقة بالحروب ماتت فى مناطق ماكانتش مناطق حرب (war zones), و دة فرق مهم جدا و دة من اهم الاسباب فى وحشية الحدث.

المهم ان الشخص دة جابلى صاحبه الاولانى, جابهولى علشان يعرفوا يمارسوا الهجوم و الtrolling, و كانت مناقشة فى قمة السفسطة, ماعندهمش حتى استعداد يسمعوا الجملة لاخرها, هما مؤمنين بحاجات و مش هيسكتوا الا لو قولتلهم انهم هما صح 100% و انى غلطان, و واحد منهم كان معتبرنى مجنون علشان كنت بوضحله انكاره لحقايق تاريخية, من اهمهم ان كان فيه ممالك يهودية على شرق سينا. انا كنت مصدوم لما لقيتهم الاتنين بيرددوا پروپاجاندا دول الجامعة العربية فى ان عمر ما كان فيه وجود لليهود فى المنطقة دى و ان وطن اليهود هو مصر القديمة و ان انجلترا هى اللى جابت لليهود ارض العرب علشان العرب ضعفاء و طيبين و ينفع تتسرق حاجتهم بسهولة. الصدمة كانت بالنسبالى كبيرة لأنى تقريبا من يوم ما وعيت على السياسة و عرفت ان فيه اسرائيل, كنت عارف ان زمان جدا كان فيه دول يهودية موجودة مكان اسرائيل الحالى. دول حتى ماكانوش عارفين اصل كلمة ”فلسطين“ انه من اسم شعوب كانت عايشة فى منطقة غزة و حواليها, و ان كل دول مالهمش علاقة بالعرب او القومية العربية!

الغريب انهم كانوا بيقولوا على اليهود, ناس ”جت من برا“ و مالهمش حق. طيب, ما كوكب الارض كل الناس اللى فيه بتهاجر و بتسافر و بتيجى من حتت ماكانتش اصلا مستقرة فيها. و كل الدول ليها شروط علشان تقبل المهاجرين ليها, اشمعنا هما مش بتحصلهم حالة استثارة من شروط الهجرة الظالمة و العنصرية ساعات, بتاعة كل الدول, و متضايقين فقط من ان دولة اسرائيل ليها شروط للى عايز يهاجر و يستقر فيها؟! دة طبعا غير ان فيه احداث كتير عملها البشر, و مافضلش حاجة منها فى التاريخ. و علماء التطور (evolution) بيقولوا اصلا ان كلنا كبشر اصلنا جة من جنوب شرق قارة افريقيا و استوطنا معظم سطح الكوكب.

طيب, اقوللكم على حاجة كمان تفرس, الاتنين اللى كانوا بيدافعوا عن دول الجامعة العربية, اللى كانوا محسسينى انى بخرجهم عن عقيدتهم و بسلخهم عن جلدهم, هما من الاقليات المضطهدة فى دولة جمهورية مصر ”العربية“!

مواضيع مرتبطة:
* DW: سوفى و هانز شول, رمز المقاومة (السلمية)
* Mark Halawa: اسأل حلاوة: هل كان هناك بلد عربي اسمه فلسطين؟

Ahmed Meligy was arrested in Egypt for Supporting Peace with Israel

2013/11/14 Update: I was informed that he was seen active on his Facebook account, days ago.

2013/11/9 Update: It seems like he was arrested again in 2013/11/7!

2013/1/17 Update: On Thursday, Ahmed Meligy posted in a group made for his release and confirmed that he was released.

On 31 December, 2012, groups were made and the message was published about the arrest of Ahmed Meligy. He is a supporter for peace with Israel and publishes opinion articles related to peace with Israel in the Jerusalem Post.
Ahmed Meligy
This is yet another reminder for those who are fooled to believe that it’s not the state of Egypt which creates the hostility against Israel and Jews, and attacks all peace activists who promote reconciliation with Israel.

See also:
* Israel National News: Egyptian Activist: “We Were Taught to Hate Israel” (an interview with Ahmed Meligy; 2012/6/20; The anchor asked at 19:39 “if you can go to jail for talking to us?”. Yes he’s now!)
* Ahmed Meligy who posts frequently on this group is being arrested (December 31 2012)
* Jerusalem Post: Jerusalem Post blogger Ahmed Meligy was reportedly arrested in Egypt on Monday. (2012/12/31)
* English Ahram: The Egyptian censor stopped the filming of a film promoting peace and cooperation between Egyptians and Israelis, accusing the makers of “promoting normalization with Israel” (2012/6/5)
* Emad el Dafrawi: Egypt Football Federation Threatens Football Players if they Played in the Israeli League (2012/11/08)
* Emad el Dafrawi: The Peace Treaty with Israel as the Wife of the Military Regime in Egypt (2012/04/16)
* Israel Loves Iran (Facebook page): WHERE is AHMED MELIGY ? (2013/1/2); linking to Free Ahmed Meligy (page) (now dead-links)
* The Daily Star: Egyptian security services have banned a film about the Jews of Egypt (2013/3/12) (the report mistaken the name “Amir” Ramses for “Amr”!)
* YaLa-Young Leaders: Ahmed Meligy appeared in that video in the 3:5 minute supporting peace talks between Israel and Palestine (2013/8/13); the full video (2013/8/7)

Egypt Football Federation Threatens Football Players if they Played in the Israeli League

CNN Arabic reported that the chief of the Egyptian Football Federation threatens Egyptian football players if they played in the Israeli league. He even said that they decided to delete the membership of any football player who does so, after some of the footballers hinted that they are thinking of playing in the Israeli league.

This story is particularly important for the naive reporters who cover the antisemitism in Egypt, totally ignoring facts, such as, the leagues and the syndicates, whose chiefs are hired by the state, force people, who hold peaceful stances against Israel and the Jewish people, to align with the official state policy of phobia against Israel, which directly goes against peace and coexistence.

Never ignore the fact that racism is a state policy in Egypt!

See also:
* English Ahram: The Egyptian censor stopped the filming of a film promoting peace and cooperation between Egyptians and Israelis, accusing the makers of “promoting normalization with Israel” (2012/6/5)
* Emad el Dafrawi: The Peace Treaty with Israel as the Wife of the Military Regime in Egypt (2012/4/16)
* Emad el Dafrawi: Ahmed Meligy was arrested in Egypt for Supporting Peace with Israel (2012/12/31)
* Times of Israel: Egyptian soccer referee threatens boycott of Israel (2013/1/22)
* The Daily Star: Egyptian security services have banned a film about the Jews of Egypt (2013/3/12) (the report mistaken the name “Amir” Ramses for “Amr”!)